Debian 12 "Bookworm"

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Debian 12 "Bookworm"

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I have a notebook with Core i5 CPU and installed Debian 12 Bookworm.

Many packages are ready to use, some could be compiled without too much pain.

The good:

  • Kernel 6.1.0-13-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC has a really good performance without further tweaking
    (although I used cpufrequtils to set the "performance" scheduler)
  • Works with my Scarlett 18i20 Gen3

The bad

  • When shutting down it waits 1:30 minutes for something
  • After a couple of days I couldn't change jackd's buffer size with jack_bufsize anymore. Jackd complained "Cannot SetBufferSize for audio driver, restore current value". Switching the device off/on and reboot doesn't help

The ugly

  • x42-plugins have a missing dependency of fonts-freefont-ttf. If fonts-freefont-ttf is not installed there is no text at all e.g. in balance.lv2
  • some libs for linuxsampler are available and are installed as a dependency when qsampler is installed but I had to make packages of libgig and linuxsampler from source (libgig-4.3.0.tar.bz2 and linuxsampler-2.2.0.tar.bz2 from https://linuxsampler.org/downloads.html).
  • Firefox and gnome-calculator don't care about XFCE4's theme/style (own titlebar and buttons)
  • Compared to Xubuntu 16 the font Bitstream Vera Sans Mono looks different in xfce4-terminal (same in Ubuntu 18 and higher). I don't like it but cannot change it.

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Now I am compiling kernel 5.15.134 with the most recent Scarlett driver and drumfix' ua101 replacement for Motu UltraLite AVB. I hope I will be able to change jackd's buffer size on the fly then.

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Re: Debian 12 "Bookworm"

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Kernel 5.15.134 works but I still can't change jackd's buffer size with jack_bufsize.

jackd says "cannot configure capture channel".

I can't do it on my oldish computer with Xubuntu 16.04, either. Maybe something happened with mit Scarlett 18i20.

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Re: Debian 12 "Bookworm"

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bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 am

The bad

  • When shutting down it waits 1:30 minutes for something

And when you press Esc when it's shutting down? No pointers there?

bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 am

- x42-plugins have a missing dependency of fonts-freefont-ttf. If fonts-freefont-ttf is not installed there is no text at all e.g. in balance.lv2

Where did you install the plugins from?

bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 am

- Firefox and gnome-calculator don't care about XFCE4's theme/style (own titlebar and buttons)

For FF right click on the toolbar and select "Customize toolbar". Down on the left you can manage themes and also tick or untick if you want to apply the theme to the title bar or not. For Gnome-Calculator it's probably a GTK theme thingy, have to check on my own Debian 12 install.

bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 am

- Compared to Xubuntu 16 the font Bitstream Vera Sans Mono looks different in xfce4-terminal (same in Ubuntu 18 and higher). I don't like it but cannot change it.

Appearance - Fonts - Default Monospace Font doesn't do anything?

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Re: Debian 12 "Bookworm"

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bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 am
  • x42-plugins have a missing dependency of fonts-freefont-ttf. If fonts-freefont-ttf is not installed there is no text at all e.g. in balance.lv2

Afaics balance.lv2 is the only plugin in the suite that depends on these fonts. The dependency is in control file of the debian source package but not explicitly set in the binary package. Bug report?

As this package is also used in all the *buntus and spinoffs, it's quite funny that no one spotted this bug before. Might be because fonts-freefonts-ttf often has been drawn in by some other package beforehand. There are quite a few (i.e. carla, musescore, ..).

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Re: Debian 12 "Bookworm"

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autostatic wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:35 pm
bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 am

The bad

  • When shutting down it waits 1:30 minutes for something

And when you press Esc when it's shutting down? No pointers there?

bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 am

- x42-plugins have a missing dependency of fonts-freefont-ttf. If fonts-freefont-ttf is not installed there is no text at all e.g. in balance.lv2

Where did you install the plugins from?

bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 am

- Firefox and gnome-calculator don't care about XFCE4's theme/style (own titlebar and buttons)

For FF right click on the toolbar and select "Customize toolbar". Down on the left you can manage themes and also tick or untick if you want to apply the theme to the title bar or not. For Gnome-Calculator it's probably a GTK theme thingy, have to check on my own Debian 12 install.

bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 am

- Compared to Xubuntu 16 the font Bitstream Vera Sans Mono looks different in xfce4-terminal (same in Ubuntu 18 and higher). I don't like it but cannot change it.

Appearance - Fonts - Default Monospace Font doesn't do anything?

They must have changed something in font handling (libfreetype?). I noticed the changed behaviour already in Xubuntu 18. I even copied the font files.

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Re: Debian 12 "Bookworm"

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bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 am

The bad

  • When shutting down it waits 1:30 minutes for something
  • After a couple of days I couldn't change jackd's buffer size with jack_bufsize anymore. Jackd complained "Cannot SetBufferSize for audio driver, restore current value". Switching the device off/on and reboot doesn't help

When I kill all processes that I have started in my session then the shutdown is fast. The new "The bad" is:

The bad

  • After a couple of days I couldn't change jackd's buffer size with jack_bufsize anymore. Jackd complained "Cannot SetBufferSize for audio driver, restore current value". Switching the device off/on and reboot doesn't help
  • No mididings package and I couldn't get the source from https://das.nasophon.de/mididings/ compiled. Too much of a mess with old Python and Boost.

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Re: Debian 12 "Bookworm"

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autostatic wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 12:35 pm
bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 am
  • Firefox and gnome-calculator don't care about XFCE4's theme/style (own titlebar and buttons)

For FF right click on the toolbar and select "Customize toolbar". Down on the left you can manage themes and also tick or untick if you want to apply the theme to the title bar or not. For Gnome-Calculator it's probably a GTK theme thingy, have to check on my own Debian 12 install.

FF's System-Theme says that it uses the system's theme. But wich one? It's not the theme I set in XFCE4.
I don't find a way not to apply it to the title bar.

And gnome-calculator uses another different theme.

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For mididings try the community maintained fork at https://github.com/mididings
It's also in PyPi so a pip install mididings in a virtual env could do the trick too.

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Re: Debian 12 "Bookworm"

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bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:24 pm

FF's System-Theme says that it uses the system's theme. But wich one? It's not the theme I set in XFCE4.

I'm using System theme - Auto myself.

bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:24 pm

I don't find a way not to apply it to the title bar.

I now see I have that Title Bar box ticked, so enabled.

bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:24 pm

And gnome-calculator uses another different theme.

I think it uses GTK 4 with libadwaita. You can configure that more or less according to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GTK#GTK_3_and_GTK4

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Re: Debian 12 "Bookworm"

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As for your font issue, your old terminal font doesn't look like Bitsream Vera to me. But I'm far from being a font expert, all I know is that Bitsream Vera and DejaVu (that I use) don't differ that much and my terminal looks like your new one.

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Re: Debian 12 "Bookworm"

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novalix wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 1:13 pm
bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 10:48 am
  • x42-plugins have a missing dependency of fonts-freefont-ttf. If fonts-freefont-ttf is not installed there is no text at all e.g. in balance.lv2

Afaics balance.lv2 is the only plugin in the suite that depends on these fonts. The dependency is in control file of the debian source package but not explicitly set in the binary package. Bug report?

Yes, I emailed Debian Multimedia Maintainers debian-multimedia@lists.debian.org.

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Re: Debian 12 "Bookworm"

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autostatic wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:27 pm

For mididings try the community maintained fork at https://github.com/mididings
It's also in PyPi so a pip install mididings in a virtual env could do the trick too.

Thx for the hint. It's very easy:

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sudo apt-get install pipx
pipx install mididings

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Re: Debian 12 "Bookworm"

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autostatic wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:51 pm
bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:24 pm

And gnome-calculator uses another different theme.

I think it uses GTK 4 with libadwaita. You can configure that more or less according to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GTK#GTK_3_and_GTK4

Gnome have decided that GTK apps shall live in a libertarian utopia, where each app will draw their own window decorations, and not in a Stalinist dystopia, where each app's window decoration has to conform to a uniform set by some dictator window manager.

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Re: Debian 12 "Bookworm"

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martibs wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:51 am
autostatic wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:51 pm
bluebell wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 2:24 pm

And gnome-calculator uses another different theme.

I think it uses GTK 4 with libadwaita. You can configure that more or less according to https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GTK#GTK_3_and_GTK4

Gnome have decided that GTK apps shall live in a libertarian utopia, where each app will draw their own window decorations, and not in a Stalinist dystopia, where each app's window decoration has to conform to a uniform set by some dictator window manager.

Problem solved by installing qalculate. My house, my PC, my window decorations.

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Re: Debian 12 "Bookworm"

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From the Gnome link: " No title bar " preferred?

So it has been decided that title bars are obsolete now? What is it with these desktop devs? The Mint devteam also already ditched 90 degree corners in favor of ugly-as-fuck rounded corners for, eh, reasons...

Do they aspire the cell phone look on desktops or something? Idiots.

Does it increase usability? Does it add functionality? No and no? Then don't do it! Don't change something just for the sake of changing something!

Rant over.

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