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Postby akI » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:52 pm

Just wanted to inform you about that there is a discussion at the moment on steam about how can it be handled to port Cakewalk X3 natively to linux OS.
Me and another Linux user started this thread because X3 is going to sell on steam.

The developers are thinking about to make this happen through kickstarter. They like the idea and if there would be more positive comments it could maybe happen that at least one professional DAW is ported to Linux.

Check it out here http://steamcommunity.com/app/241070/discussions/0/630800443024063721/ and give some positive feedback if you would like to support that.

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Postby akI » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:05 pm

falkTX wrote:nice, hopefully this will be a better product than Tracktion on Linux (it's free but full of bugs... :()

SteamOS is making a lot of noise for Linux, this can only be a good thing ...right?


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Postby antiesen » Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:35 pm

falkTX wrote:nice, hopefully this will be a better product than Tracktion on Linux (it's free but full of bugs... :()


indeed a few problems with the storing system. But running pretty stable on my machine.
it even runs distro plugins! :shock:
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Postby sysrqer » Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:41 pm

This could be interesting, I've never used Cakewalk but wouldn't mind now I'm not using Ableton.

I saw this on that site:
Linux needs at least one proffessional DAW for start


This is revealing, I think most people who haven't dug in to Linux audio too much get put off because there isn't an all in one package (I would think Ardour would be but maybe that person is missing something). They fail to realise the power of Jack and the modular environment. It's a paradigm that many don't even know exists and give up thinking that Linux is bad for music when in reality it is probably much more powerful. Took me a while to understand this myself but I'm glad I stuck with it.

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Postby AnthonyCFox » Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:59 pm

A lot of people equate commercial with professional. They aren't aware, or dismiss, that the internet is largely powered by free software.

The sequencer/sampler situation on Linux periodically drives me to seriously consider moving to windoze, just yesterday in fact. I don't know much about X3 but I'm going to check it out. Maybe my crises will finally be resolved. After nine years of using Linux the idea of dropping it gives me a cold chill.
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Postby aprzekaz » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:46 pm

This is exciting. I've never tried Cakewalk but maybe I will. I'm still wandering around trying to find what DAW works best for my workflow. IMO Adour is now a quite complete and professional software it just isn't suited to what I do as much as I'd like. Tracktion is cool and has some unique points but is still buggy and also maybe not my favorite layout.

It's interesting to note that I keep coming across things in these monolithic daws that resemble the modular aspect of Linux audio. Like Tracktion has something called Racks that really just allows you to connect plugins in a modular way just like Jack does. And Bitwig advertises this Plugin "nesting" thing that as I understand is essentially like running your plugins outside your daw also very much like doing it with jack. Maybe modular is the future.

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Postby akI » Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:27 am

Well i only can tell you that im using Roland Cakewalk since x1 (and im using it on wine through wineasio, thanks to falkTX at this point ^^).
Cakewalk really offers you a bunch of functionality and is very compareable with Steinbergs Cubase.

Take a look http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=205 into the AppDB.

As Cubase will never ever run natively (i discussed that with some Steinberg devs, if interested i could copy you the conversation here...) and Bitwig isnt released yet i think Cakewalk could really be the very first commercial/professional/highend DAW in linux. Ardour is okay and really nice but if Roland would took its way on linux then maybe some more major Producer (and im not only thinking about DAW, but even more about NI, Arturia, Waldorf etc.) will think about linux.

Check out their website http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/default.aspx
And make sure to check this also http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/versions.aspx

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Postby varpa » Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:56 pm

Concerning commercial DAWs available in linux do not forget Mixbus (currently only audio, but will eventually support midi) and Renoise which is a tracker style, if you are in to that. Both are reasonably priced.
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Postby zettberlin » Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:14 pm

I am not a prophet nor do I have a wormhole around here but I am quite sure, that Bitwig will be the first big commercial DAW officially available for Linux- I already have seen it running on it and I really do not believe, that Cakewalk could be ported faster then Bitwig being debugged to be ready for prime-time....

Also I am quite sure, that Tracktion for Linux can be debugged before long. The problems it suffers seem to be more or less real bugs, not flaws in design, that would ask to rewrite hundreds of lines of code....
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Postby zettberlin » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:15 am

falkTX wrote:Tracktion is being rewritten for version 5, I have hope it will fix most of its issues.
The current version 4 was rushed to work with the new Juce code, so it's normal to have a few bugs
(not being able to use plugins drives me away though, specially since there's seems to be zero linux support from developers)


It supports native VST for Linux, this is not much but for starters....
Regarding zero Linux support: I have the impression, that they do not like to talk too much anyway. I do not see this as a general dismissing of Linux as a platform. This would be quite unwise for a company, that makes a software that seems to fit best embedded in a device. ;-)

falkTX wrote:Bitwig looks to be an amazing app, but I'm yet to see what they can do with Java.
My experience with Java on linux has never been great,


Bitwig is quite heavy, especially on grabbing RAM but it reacts very snappy once it is running.

And remember, that Javaapplications done right *can* run flawlessly on Linux. At least Minecraft does :twisted:

falkTX wrote: I think it's better to keep waiting for a public beta before saying "it will be the best thing ever". :wink:


Best thing ever... well it depends. It can be for some people because it covers the complete workflow of some people.
I find it interesting but I am not sooo enthusiastic about the GUI-concept and in the end I am more the Ardour-Type...
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Postby akI » Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:37 am

zettberlin wrote:I am not a prophet nor do I have a wormhole around here but I am quite sure, that Bitwig will be the first big commercial DAW officially available for Linux- I already have seen it running on it and I really do not believe, that Cakewalk could be ported faster then Bitwig being debugged to be ready for prime-time....


Well i agree with your opinion that cakewalk will maybe not released before Bitwig. Its even not sure if it will release at all. The devs are only thinking about to make that happen. But if Bitwig takes furthermore his long journey Cakewalk could be the first. And to avoid replies like "Rome wasnt built in a day" or "Haste makes waste" its okay for me that Bitwig takes its time it needs to be released.
Meanwhile for my personal noob audio stuff im on Cakewalk X2 on wine which works really nice for my needs.

Time will show and especially for me, i would buy both of them because im on the point to support all major linuxports that comes ahead my private business.

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Postby werock » Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:44 am

The mail I woke up to this morning from Bitwig says they will announce the release date/price at the January NAMM show, so I guess it's not too far off now.

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Postby StudioDave » Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:21 am

zettberlin wrote:... Java applications done right *can* run flawlessly on Linux.


You should see AVSynthesis in action. Full 30 fps (or 60 if you prefer) 3D OpenGL/JOGL animation coupled with realtime audio from Csound (csnd6.jar), all zipping along and held together in a Java-based GUI. The program's author has been working with Java UIs since the 90s, he knows what he's doing.

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Postby bluebell » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:42 pm

Java-programs aren't slow, they're just RAM-hungry. Some say that Sun invented Java just to sell more RAM.

That's not a big problem today, at least with 64 bits. But there's a rumour that the Java VM can't handle more than 2 GB of RAM. THAT would be a problem, I think.
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