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merlyn wrote:I've never tried BackupBand.
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Re: EZDrummer alternative?

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OK I'll try it when I get a round tuit.
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Hey, cut that out. It's my job to make sarcastic wisecracks around here. (Do you even have a union card?) I was duly elected to fill this role (with assistance from my "campaign manager", Vladimir Putin).

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Re: EZDrummer alternative?

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I know a bit late to the party on this, but check this out:

https://discourse.ardour.org/t/logic-ga ... mer/109775

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Re: EZDrummer alternative?

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I currently use the AVL Drumkits
For some reason I use all the available kits at once, playing simultaneously together. It gives a me a more full warm sound.

I'd love to use Hydrogen, never tried,... but it seems it's not possible to use in-DAW like a VST.
So you can export to WAV and put that in your DAW.... but then for each correction, you need to go back to Hydrogen to change, export and load that in your DAW again... not convenient.
Or if you export as midi, you can edit the midi in your DAW, but then you need to apply the corresponding hydrogen sounds (or other sounds) in your DAW... then why using Hydrogen in the first place as you create your sequence in your DAW

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bulevardi wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:52 am

I'd love to use Hydrogen, never tried,... but it seems it's not possible to use in-DAW like a VST.

Maybe have a look at
viewtopic.php?p=72663#p72663

It is about using Hydrogen to play Drumgizmo via midi in Ardour

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bulevardi wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:52 am

I'd love to use Hydrogen, never tried,... but it seems it's not possible to use in-DAW like a VST.
So you can export to WAV and put that in your DAW.... but then for each correction, you need to go back to Hydrogen to change, export and load that in your DAW again... not convenient.

Or...just sync DAW and Hydrogen with Jack Transport, and route Hydrogen's audio output into the DAW.

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Impostor wrote: Thu Mar 28, 2024 10:08 pm

Or...just sync DAW and Hydrogen with Jack Transport, and route Hydrogen's audio output into the DAW.

That would be an option yes.... But I just want to stay away from Jack as far as possible ;)
I started with setting up jack 10 years ago when I started with Linux, and I've been messing up around way too much, to get nothing done.
Probably not because it's bad, but I think it was my USB Interface not working as it should (later on it seemed it didn't work at all on other platforms), and I was a n00b, still am. I always prefer things to work out of the box in one application. And that's exactly what ALSA does for me: to use a plugin I want in my daw.
I see Jack as a workaround or threshold to set things up when I directly want to record.

Last month I needed to test jack again for some other application, and the nightmares came back! It drew me back in the rabbithole and got me frustrated and troubleshooted.

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bulevardi wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 9:58 am

That would be an option yes.... But I just want to stay away from Jack as far as possible ;)

That restricts the routing possibilities a bit, yes. Jack made me <3 Linux exactly because of its routing freedom. Same for Alsa midi.

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Re: EZDrummer alternative?

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Hi @bulevardi

Another option that I use (as an Ardour with ALSA person). I love Hydrogen to get drum tracks together and in the case of AVL Drumkits I can use the Hydrogen version of an AVL kit in Hydrogen and program 99% of my song sequence and then export it as a MIDI file from Hydrogen. Then I import the MIDI file into Ardour and within Ardour use the same named AVL Drumkit (as an LV2 Plugin) as I used in Hydrogen and all of the kit pieces and programming line up. Yes, there may be some minor adjustments to make but things seem to be pretty close and then I have the further option of using the 'fan out to tracks' feature in Ardour and effect the individual kit pieces..

It's a tiny bit more labour intensive than locking Hydrogen and Ardour together with JACK but it can easily be done without leaving the ALSA realm..

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Re: EZDrummer alternative?

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If it were me, I'd just stay within your host and use native plugins Apisonic Labs' Speedrum 2 or TAL-Drum, or DrumGizmo, along midi drum patterns and the sampled drums of your choice. I like to use Groove Monkee midi drum patterns and Drum Drops drum samples, but there's lots to choose from. To me, this works great and is easy, and very similar to EZDrummer. There's no need to reinvent the wheel if you don't have to. :)

https://www.apisonic-audio.com/speedrum2.html

https://tal-software.com/products/tal-drum

https://www.drumgizmo.org/wiki/doku.php?id=start

https://groovemonkee.com/collections/midi-loops

https://www.drum-drops.com/collections/drum-samples

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Re: EZDrummer alternative?

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Audiojunkie wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:20 pm

If it were me, I'd just stay within your host and use native plugins Apisonic Labs' Speedrum 2 or TAL-Drum, or DrumGizmo, along midi drum patterns and the sampled drums of your choice. I like to use Groove Monkee midi drum patterns and Drum Drops drum samples, but there's lots to choose from. To me, this works great and is easy, and very similar to EZDrummer. There's no need to reinvent the wheel if you don't have to. :)

https://www.apisonic-audio.com/speedrum2.html

https://tal-software.com/products/tal-drum

https://www.drumgizmo.org/wiki/doku.php?id=start

https://groovemonkee.com/collections/midi-loops

https://www.drum-drops.com/collections/drum-samples

Fine advice, to clarify I was answering @bulevardi who mentioned use of the AVL Drumkits.

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Re: EZDrummer alternative?

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GMaq wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:40 pm
Audiojunkie wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 11:20 pm

If it were me, I'd just stay within your host and use native plugins Apisonic Labs' Speedrum 2 or TAL-Drum, or DrumGizmo, along midi drum patterns and the sampled drums of your choice. I like to use Groove Monkee midi drum patterns and Drum Drops drum samples, but there's lots to choose from. To me, this works great and is easy, and very similar to EZDrummer. There's no need to reinvent the wheel if you don't have to. :)

https://www.apisonic-audio.com/speedrum2.html

https://tal-software.com/products/tal-drum

https://www.drumgizmo.org/wiki/doku.php?id=start

https://groovemonkee.com/collections/midi-loops

https://www.drum-drops.com/collections/drum-samples

Fine advice, to clarify I was answering @bulevardi who mentioned use of the AVL Drumkits.

Hehehe! I should apologize and clarify as well. I was actually aiming my comments to the OP, but I guess it didn’t look that way. :)

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