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Windows vst routing for dummy humans

Postby Drcianuro » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:08 pm

Hellow, i could run a bunch of win vst native plugins with festige, 32 bits at least, and now the issue is just routing to each track.
I swear iv been seeking several time around google and here.

Being more specific, i can do route from the plugin to the master with patchbay but i cannot see the individual tracks on my daw.

I use native Reaper. My favourite one, ideal for me and could be a very happy way to get rid of windows because thats almost the only thing i miss from win just all that free plugins.

Another doubt is if its possible to reach the same order in linux than in native reaper for example:
It is possible to put a native linus reaper plugin and after a win one and later another win one, or just use the win first and then the native ones ?

Thanks for reading this !!!!!

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Re: Windows vst routing for dummy humans

Postby tavasti » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:34 am

I would guess problem is with reaper, and similar problem exists with lmms. From Mixbus and Ardour, all tracks, busses, and what ever are own jack ports, and can be routed however we want.
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Re: Windows vst routing for dummy humans

Postby falkTX » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:39 am

it is much easier to just use a wrapper plugin, no? is there a special reason for festige? it does not even keep plugin state.
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiaWozQ69eE

(note that since that video was made, users now need to enable experimental settings, plus plugin and wine bridges in carla)

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Re: Windows vst routing for dummy humans

Postby Drcianuro » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:55 pm

Carla does'nt recognize any windows plugins i cannot get the carla discovery win64 or 32, i only get the native linux ones.
I use Deepin 15.7 and tried to install the missing stuff using synaptic but even finding a bunch of packages clearly called carla win 64 (clear in the synaptic not in my mind right now sorry :roll: )nothing happens refreshing again.

If its a distro issue or its easier change to ubuntu studio i would do it anythinh huge in the ssd right now.

Change to ardour is interesting but even better keep in reaper i cause i know that daw very well.

What wrapper plugin exactely means? I understood its related to routing as what i asked but what exactly is ? To follow better your help.

And thank u so much for helping me

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Re: Windows vst routing for dummy humans

Postby falkTX » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:37 pm

The windows bridges are experimental settings in carla, so you need to enable those first.

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Re: Windows vst routing for dummy humans

Postby jonetsu » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:18 am

This sounds so complicated. This is why I waited for some time before trying to run Windows plugins: it sounded so complicated, with much time spent on trying to make it work and incredibly long messages about workarounds.

Luckily I can now run easily all plugins from Rob Papen, Voxengo, Melda Production, IK Multimedia, many from Tone2, many from Image Line, and just spend time making music instead of trying to get it to work in one way or another.

Disclaimer: I do not run Windows and as such I do not have a legacy of plugins that have to be run in Linux. It means that when I try a plugin demo, if it runs then good, if it doesn't I simply forget about it.

I use wine-staging and linvst and use Bitwig for creating and Mixbus32C for mixing.

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Re: Windows vst routing for dummy humans

Postby falkTX » Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:29 am

huh? installing a package, and enabling an option on the gui is complicated?

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Re: Windows vst routing for dummy humans

Postby jonetsu » Sat Oct 06, 2018 9:45 am

Well, if I have to I can search for many posts on many forum sites regarding people having trouble running Windows plugins in Linux, the complications thereof, and copy them here, although I think it's pretty clear that at least there were many problems in running Windows plugins in Linux using all conceivable approaches, which should by now entirely all be a thing of the past.

That's of course in a general way. If we go plugin-by-plugin then there will be some problems here and there. Nonetheless I'm satisfied with the ones I do run and have a lot to learn about them and their capabilities for the upcoming two years.

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Re: Windows vst routing for dummy humans

Postby Jack Winter » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:26 am

My personal observation is that googling anything about audio on Linux throws up a long list of outdated advice & irrelevant information, and is enough all on it's own to be discouraging..:S

On the other hand Linux audio has steadily advanced and just gotten better and better and mostly works without issues (maybe depending on the distro). This in all aspects, not just the one of using Windows plugins in a Linux host.

Though there remains a few areas we're we really could do better..:)
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Re: Windows vst routing for dummy humans

Postby falkTX » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:05 pm

jonetsu wrote:I think it's pretty clear that at least there were many problems in running Windows plugins in Linux using all conceivable approaches, which should by now entirely all be a thing of the past.

No, this will never be the case.
The fact that most work is a great thing, but it will never be a solved problem.

There is always new Windows APIs coming, and developers using them.
A few years ago, VS2015 was a problem and Wine caught up to it. Then came VS2017, which seems to be mostly implemented now.
But Windows changed to a rolling-release model with Windows 10, so it will always be a catching-up game now.

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Re: Windows vst routing for dummy humans

Postby jonetsu » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:10 pm

This said, I have no idea what the OP is referring to with 'routing'. From my side, I put Windows plugins on a track, and that's it. Routing audio and tracks is part of the DAW and has not much to do with plugins, exception made of course of the plugins that have many audio outputs which I guess could be considered as 'routing' since each output sits on a track of its own.

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Re: Windows vst routing for dummy humans

Postby jonetsu » Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:18 pm

falkTX wrote: No, this will never be the case. The fact that most work is a great thing, but it will never be a solved problem.


Indeed, and this is why I stick with what works and do not try to make work things that do not. If that makes sense. Eg. if a plugin uses iLok or some other protection scheme that makes it fail at first try of a demo, I will not go out of my way to make it work.

Despite the changes in Windows I think that well-designed, well-structured plugins that keeps it simple and to the point have a better chance in running under Linux. As with any other applications, there are developer/designer trends with the latest technologies and their followers and there are developers/designers that also question "do I really need that in my application ?" before jumping into a bandwagon. The latter tend to produce the more stable softwares.

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Re: Windows vst routing for dummy humans

Postby Drcianuro » Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:57 pm

I activated experimental features, and it seems the bridge seems to be still missing. Avalaible tools are only some native ones as you can see in the picture. It seems that in ubuntu there is some trouble about carla and kx repos since 18.04 toomuch new now. And deepin is now based on debian but ti seems to be something simillar too much new.

And i would appreciate leaving the discussion for after the issue will be solved, but this told in a nutshell its so simple like that:

wine cala, great stuff i think its even something magic.
troubles for when its opened dont know how to route just spoil all the fun. it seems hard to believe that is so complicated to make it easy for the user, it must be easy otherwise becomes not competitive with windows or mac in this aspect.

Both things are just truth.

And thanks for helping again.
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Re: Windows vst routing for dummy humans

Postby falkTX » Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:20 pm

you need to enable the bridges in the experimental settings...

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Re: Windows vst routing for dummy humans

Postby Drcianuro » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:31 am

Sorry for the delay answering, i didnt see the experimental tab even being big :oops:

Now it happens this:
I can see my windows plugins scanned when it is scaning but not in the results, i've been searching one per one, and in the search tab and nothing there.
I got the winvst folder on my desktop and added to the dssi paths.

I guess this is the last thing i need !!! Thanks again.


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