Re: Why Guitarix factory presets so awful and loud??
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:08 pm
I think guitarix needs a banjo preset. Anything less is cultural prejudice.
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Maybe better to fork it at make a banjix project?j_e_f_f_g wrote:I think guitarix needs a banjo preset. Anything less is cultural prejudice.
Indeed, it surely will be to hard to integrate a banjo preset at a acceptable db level.wolftune wrote:Maybe better to fork it at make a banjix project?j_e_f_f_g wrote:I think guitarix needs a banjo preset. Anything less is cultural prejudice.
I think an acceptable level for banjo is 0 dB, although anything below sea level is fine.tramp wrote:banjo preset at a acceptable db level
I didn't talk about lower the input signal, I mean lower the output (amplification) gain of your soundcard, that is what gives you the headroom!emarsk wrote:And, by the way, giving a low analog gain to a signal and then apply ridiculous amounts of DIGITAL gain is just bad practice: SNR down the toilet!
Nothing beats the mute button when it comes to processing banjo tracks.j_e_f_f_g wrote:I think an acceptable level for banjo is 0 dB, although anything below sea level is fine.tramp wrote:banjo preset at a acceptable db level
Hmmm, the 'delete' key trumps the mute button, I learned that practicing on DX7 tracks...ssj71 wrote:Nothing beats the mute button when it comes to processing banjo tracks.j_e_f_f_g wrote:I think an acceptable level for banjo is 0 dB, although anything below sea level is fine.tramp wrote:banjo preset at a acceptable db level
Since I am the evildoer here I think I have to step inwolftune wrote:I understand *some* gain, but:
The two zettberlin factory presets differ by nearly 30dB in their output with the same signal! .
Last change in the tube emulation was 2012-07-23, and only reflect changes in faust, tube processing was really changed in 2011-09-21 last time.zettberlin wrote:The presets are made with very early versions of Guitarix, especially the tube-emulations have changed dramatically since that(for the very better).
No, that will introduce a incompatibility with existing user presets. We almost try to avoid that, even if we can't guaranty that, unfortunatly.apathity wrote:Presets could also have a "made by" field internally so you can send an email to the guy who dialed it in.
I'm willing to push all the changes to our repository, seems like a good idea to order the presets in Genres, as it as well could be a indicator for the resulting loudness. But still, here are the guitarix users requested to fill it up.apathity wrote:While you're reorganizing the presets anyway, drop the weird usernames in the Bank list. It is just confusing. Why not make different banks for Clean, Blues, Rock, Metal, Metal-Rhythm, Metal-Lead, Jazz, Pop, ... etc. Genre is the first thing by what you classify a guitar tone I would say.
Could there be a migration option that lets anyone move a preset they were using to be a user preset so they still have it? If you are saying that changing factory presets will affect the user preset section, that I don't understand.tramp wrote: No, that will introduce a incompatibility with existing user presets. We almost try to avoid that, even if we can't guaranty that, unfortunatly.
I could send you a corrected patch and some more, new ones as a tar.gz would that be OK?wolftune wrote:Thanks for the clarity there! So, zettberlin, perhaps you could submit simple patches that would fix the levels? I'm honestly super busy and won't get to it soon. Incidentally, I think a couple others have similar issues besides your bank… and indeed *some* amount of gain difference is to be expected / desired within reason.
Oh, you get me wrong here, my answer was towolftune wrote:Could there be a migration option that lets anyone move a preset they were using to be a user preset so they still have it? If you are saying that changing factory presets will affect the user preset section, that I don't understand.tramp wrote: No, that will introduce a incompatibility with existing user presets. We almost try to avoid that, even if we can't guaranty that, unfortunatly.
It seems only speculative that anyone actually is relying on the factory presets. I'd suspect it likely that 100% of users who actually saved anything or regular use the factory presets may have already made user versions of them. It's also possible nobody is actually using the set factory ones at all.
What if there were a way to do an "update" of factory presets, so any new install has the update automatically but existing installs need to manually accept the factory preset updates (possibly with a way to revert)?
There's got to be a good solution here.
special to "Presets could also have a "made by" field", that will change the preset format, which leads to incompatibility.apathity wrote:Presets could also have a "made by" field internally so you can send an email to the guy who dialed it in.
.zettberlin wrote:I could send you a corrected patch and some more, new ones as a tar.gz would that be OK?