KX mini manual

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KX mini manual

Postby danboid » Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:28 am

UPDATED 22nd October 2013

Today I made numerous updates to the KXStudio manual to reflect the changes introduced in 12.04.3 and I also added a new chapter - 'Choosing and installing kernels'.

http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/kxstudio_manual

Hopefully falkTX will update his archive of it here soon:

http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/Documentation

I hope you enjoy reading it and find it useful!
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Re: KX mini manual

Postby danboid » Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:38 am

I'd like to get the first version done in time for inclusion on the 12.04.2 isos so when do you expect it will get released F? I suspect you will want to iron a few creases out of Cadence and Carla first?

Just how long is that piece of string? :)
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Re: KX mini manual

Postby falkTX » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:35 am

danboid wrote:..his total neglect of docs for Cadence...

ahem, it's not neglect, I'm usually busy coding, packaging and fixing things.
It's true that I don't personally like to write docs, but I didn't have any time for it lately.

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Re: KX mini manual

Postby falkTX » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:40 am

danboid wrote:I'd like to get the first version done in time for inclusion on the 12.04.2 isos so when do you expect it will get released F? I suspect you will want to iron a few creases out of Cadence and Carla first?

Yes, the main things that need completion now:
1. Cadence code recheck, implement whatever feature requests possible in time.
2. Get Carla into a somewhat usable state. Doesn't have to be perfect, but we need something working. (%75 done)
3. New DISTRHO release pack (50% done)

At minimum it's gonna take to the end of this month to do all those, but can take a bit more.

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Re: KX mini manual

Postby danboid » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:45 am

Hi F!

I know only too well how busy you are so you need to prioritize and haven't found the time to document Cadence and KX and nobody should be surprised but the fact remains there are no docs to speak of. Basically people have to scour these forums or post their questions if they're not prepared to put the time in to experiment and learn. IMO thats not ideal.

I will not be offended if you don't want my help and would like to remind you how much I appreciate what you do - this was going to be my way of saying thanks and giving something back to your projects (other than the bits of testing I've already done for KX, Cadence and DISTRHO).
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Re: KX mini manual

Postby falkTX » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:13 pm

danboid wrote:I will not be offended if you don't want my help and would like to remind you how much I appreciate what you do - this was going to be my way of saying thanks and giving something back to your projects (other than the bits of testing I've already done for KX, Cadence and DISTRHO).

I surely didn't want to cause the impression that I don't want help - I surely do.
I was just explaining why docs are not better at this point. However the minor Cadence tools are complete now.

In order to get this right we need coordination.
Th best way to do that is chat via IRC, so please come by #kxstudio and ask whatever you need to know to make this happen. :D

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Re: KX mini manual

Postby danboid » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:19 pm

Cool. I'm busy tonight with band practice but I'll speak to you over the weekend on IRC so we can discuss details.
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Re: KX mini manual

Postby wolftune » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:17 am

I'll help somewhat at some point. I've made lots of general notes myself.
See: viewtopic.php?f=47&t=10558
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Re: KX mini manual

Postby hebjuzeb » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:22 am

wolftune wrote:I'll help somewhat at some point. I've made lots of general notes myself.


No rush, do you need another few months to think about it? Wolfie, you've written a whole g*****n novel about your "experiences" with KX. Falk, you answer each and every yahoo who has a problem (including myself, thanks) with infinite patience. Is it really that f***ing hard to write a paragraph explaining what Cadence is, and does? Why on earth would you spend your time writing applications that nobody uses? G*****n it dude, when you're writing the code, creating the GUI, managing the PPAs, does it ever cross your mind that the average user is just going, "what does this button do?" If the answer is "who the f**k knows, better fire up the Windows partition" then all your other work is for naught.

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Re: KX mini manual

Postby wolftune » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:48 am

Well, what you call a novel is actually a novel-length bunch of half-organized half-edited notes. Nobody would publish that. And it's a lot less work than writing something really good.

Anyway, to be clear, my personal goal has been to just figure out what the heck the buttons do for myself. All of this has been a process where I can't write the documentation yet because I'm still confused. My notes aren't those of an expert, they're compilations of what I've done as I've gone from totally confused to kinda getting it. I'll be happy to write something clear once I'm clear myself. :lol:
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Re: KX mini manual

Postby falkTX » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:01 pm

hebjuzeb wrote:Falk, you answer each and every yahoo who has a problem (including myself, thanks) with infinite patience. Is it really that fucking hard to write a paragraph explaining what Cadence is, and does? Why on earth would you spend your time writing applications that nobody uses? Goddamn it dude, when you're writing the code, creating the GUI, managing the PPAs, does it ever cross your mind that the average user is just going, "what does this button do?" If the answer is "who the fuck knows, better fire up the Windows partition" then all your other work is for naught.

Remember the 3 "D's"

-Documentation, documentation, and documentation.

Yeah, I know... I just need more time.
Everytime I get myself into writing docs something else comes up. Either someone wants a package update, something needs fixing, etc etc.

btw, Cadence *does* have a (doc) page:
http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/KXStudi ... ns:Cadence
It's surely more than one paragraph :wink:

I promise to continue those app-docs later this month! :twisted:

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Re: KX mini manual

Postby hebjuzeb » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:52 am

My notes aren't those of an expert, they're compilations of what I've done as I've gone from totally confused to kinda getting it. I'll be happy to write something clear once I'm clear myself.

Sure, but you know a lot. Let me tell a short story: about 3 years ago I didn't know how to turn a computer on, never used one for any reason. Then I took a course that required basic MS Office so there was no choice, had to buy one. I'll tell you, I was completely unprepared for the learning curve, and it struck me that the people around me knew a lot more than they realized; it just adds up over time, using computers every day. The same goes for the Linux world: Linux users are used to getting their hands dirty, for Pete's sake you have to repartition your hard-drive just to get in the door! You guys all learned Linux when the system was rougher than it is now, and the documentation even worse. Consequently you've forgotten how frustrating it can be, and the specific oddities that can drive newbies insane (JACK, this means you!)

At this stage there's no way you could screw up the documentation, because it doesn't exist. There's nothing. Nada. The "documentation" for Cadence is nothing but a few screenshots, I'd learn just as much by looking at my screen. Here's what I suggest: if you write very basic instructions, I and my newbie brethren can actually be of service: I'd follow the instructions, and when something confused me, just get back to you, or Dan, or whoever, saying "such and such didn't make sense to me, got this and that error." I guarantee within weeks we'd have documentation that's better than what you normally find in the Linux world.

Falk, if you're out there, you're the worst at documentation because you're the best at knowing how things work; frankly I don't think you're qualified to do your own documentation because you're too far removed from the newbie mindset.
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Re: KX mini manual

Postby wolftune » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:58 am

I think that's well put. That's why I'm trying to work on documentation, because I understand what it is like to be a newbie. I have background as a basic computer user, and with audio specifically, but I'm not a programmer, and I only started with GNU/Linux for the first time just over a year ago. I was so baffled and frustrated that I almost gave up several times. Having people actively personally encouraging me and helping me made the difference. Each time I almost gave up, someone asked me to try something, and I did (but with hesitation) and eventually things worked, well until the next issue. What really forced me to learn more was starting to introduce and teach others (which has been way rougher than it ought to be!)

My focus right now is on pushing falkTX not to do documentation but to get the best stuff included in KXStudio 12.04.2. When that's out, then I feel it will be worthwhile for me to take all my notes are figure out what is still applicable and put it in a more accessible form.
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Re: KX mini manual

Postby hebjuzeb » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:42 am

I only started with GNU/Linux for the first time just over a year ago.
Holy crap, I assumed it was longer than that. I dabbled in Linux almost right away, but it was always easier to go back to Windows, much as I hate it.

I'm a very big believer in starting with something, anything. If it's no good, that'll bug me enough to try fixing it. What say we identify a task, and give it a try? Obviously I have my own situation in mind, but that might not be typical. For the record,

a) I have an Alesis i04, similar to your input device (no coincidence, you recommended it, lol)
b) I want to record basic demos/preproduction, a pretty typical place for a newb to start.
c) I want to use Reaper. This may be an issue since it's not freeware, but the alternatives are problematic. Ardour has chosen to insult anyone who takes the term "freeware" at face value, and there's really not much else out there.
d) I want drums. Hydrogen is fine for doc purposes.

BTW what version of KX/OS are you using?
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Re: KX mini manual

Postby tbritton » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:08 pm

If you folks assemble some documentation, I'll make some videos from sections and post them on YouTube. My style is low-key (See my channel to see what I mean), but I like doing them and they often help many folks better than reading does. I follow up with immediate responses to comments I receive, and will refer people back to here for knotty problems I cannot give them solutions for.

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