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Chord Charts

Postby angelsguitar » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:21 pm

Hi.

Which notation editor would be best to create jazz/pop chord charts? I've taken a look on MuseScore and Lilypond. MuseScore is very easy to use, but the hash marks are a little hard to get in place, and everytime I make a system break they all get misplaced. Lilypond, on the other hand, handles hash marks well, but I'm a little confused on how to get some chord names to print (like C7#5, G13b9, and so on) and be able to transpose them, if necesary.

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Postby studio32 » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:04 am

I think tuxguitar... maybe in combination with lilypond

see also: viewtopic.php?t=320

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Postby angelsguitar » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:05 pm

Thanks for the suggestion on Tuxguitar, although not exactly what I was looking for. Anyway, it would be useful for writing tabs to my students, so I'll download it :D

It seems that the "mighty" Lilypond has the answer to what I'm looking for. Take a look at this reference:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Chord-name-chart#Chord-name-chart

Well, I so used to Sibelius that I was looking for something similar. Still have my hope on MuseScore or Nted; they look promissing. But for the kind of music I do (which is mostly pop chord charts and lead sheets of church songs) they still lack some features. Maybe they'll improve those things in future versions, but for now I'll check Lilypond, and get used to it.

Thanks for your kind help, studio32!

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Postby studio32 » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:47 pm

You're welcome...

I thought you where talking about chord diagrams... its very handy to make them in Tuxguitar and export them to Lilypond!

For good lilypond help check there mailinglist check also the wiki of our forum member:

viewtopic.php?t=362

O ja, take a look at the lilypond tool and lilykde (or kdelily) too...! Will makes life more easy!

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Postby angelsguitar » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:44 am

Thanks.

I was looking too at Mup from Arkkra Enterprises, at it looks very good too. Its syntax looks easier than Lilypond's.

At the bottom of this page is an example of how to make slashes for Chord Charts:

http://www.arkkra.com/doc/uguide/slashmrk.html

This is what I'm looking for, adding, of course, the chord names on top of the staff.

Have you tested or compared it with Lilypond? Anyone out there?

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Postby studio32 » Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:45 pm

I'll take a look at Mup... I think a advantage of Lilypond is that several apps on linux has lilypond export functions: eg. rosegarden, nted, tuxguitar etc. Looks like the linux world is centred towards lilypond...

But lilypond doens't have all the tablature functions, which is a pitty for me. Maybe Mup has it?

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Postby angelsguitar » Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:07 pm

studio32 wrote:Looks like the linux world is centred towards lilypond...


I'm really liking more Mup, as far as I see, but am a little held back to change precisely for the same reason: Lilyponds seems to be the "standard" notation package in Linux, and is very well documented in their website and all around the net.

On the other hand, Mup is not a newcomer as far as I know. Plus it does everything I need at the time being.

So, in the end, I believe I'll have to make a decision in matters of convenience and practical use. Maybe I need a little more time experimenting with both.

In regards to tablature, I saw very good options in mup's documentation, although have not experimented a lot with it.

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Postby studio32 » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:07 am

angelsguitar wrote:
I'm really liking more Mup, as far as I see, but am a little held back to change precisely for the same reason: Lilyponds seems to be the "standard" notation package in Linux, and is very well documented in their website and all around the net.

On the other hand, Mup is not a newcomer as far as I know. Plus it does everything I need at the time being.

So, in the end, I believe I'll have to make a decision in matters of convenience and practical use. Maybe I need a little more time experimenting with both.

In regards to tablature, I saw very good options in mup's documentation, although have not experimented a lot with it.


I would like to see the tablature options... I'll check it.. if you have some examples you can post it here maybe?

edit: http://www.arkkra.com/doc/uguide/tabstaff.html

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Re: Chord Charts

Postby sciurius » Fri Oct 10, 2008 8:54 pm

angelsguitar wrote:... to create jazz/pop chord charts?

What exactly do you mean by 'jazz/pop chord charts'? Can you show an example?

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Re: Chord Charts

Postby studio32 » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:45 pm

@ Scurius, welcome :)

@ angelsguitar: I think NtEd added some features you might like: http://vsr.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/st ... nted.xhtml

http://vsr.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/st ... 01s24.html

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Re: Chord Charts

Postby angelsguitar » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:26 am

studio32 wrote:@ angelsguitar: I think NtEd added some features you might like: http://vsr.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/st ... nted.xhtml


Certainly NtEd is getting more interesting every day, at least for what I mostly do. Will take a look; thanks studio32.
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Re: Chord Charts

Postby sciurius » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:47 am

Still wondering what exactly is meant by 'jazz/pop chord charts'...

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Re: Chord Charts

Postby aidy » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:05 pm

lead sheets?
just the lyrics with chords over them?

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Re: Chord Charts

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Re: Chord Charts

Postby angelsguitar » Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:33 am


That is just what I'm talking about; thanks sciurius. Basically chords on top of the staff with rhythm notation below. The rhythm notation tells the rhythm of the chords.

I use it a lot because it gives a clear perspective to the arrangement, while allowing the musician some freedom to be creative within the scope of what is written. When you have a note-for-note written comping part you have to play exactly what is written, but with the chord chart you can be more creative with the comping, as long as it stays within the chord and rhythm specified.
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