Many notation editors
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Many notation editors
Notation editors are developing fast in the world of linux audio. Which do you use the most?
I don't use them a lot till now, but for quick builds nted is very fast...
But the new rosegarden has a improved notation editor which I have to try...
Mscore looks nice too, a bit comparable too Finale in my opinion....
I don't use them a lot till now, but for quick builds nted is very fast...
But the new rosegarden has a improved notation editor which I have to try...
Mscore looks nice too, a bit comparable too Finale in my opinion....
Good new today... the keyboard function of nted is improved (0.24.1)and will make things faster: http://vsr.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/st ... nted.xhtml
You forgot MUP www.arkkra.com, which is also very powerful, mature and continuously developed. Distributed in sourcecode but not free software or open source (you need to buy a license).
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Interesting Poll. Would be more interesting if LinuxMusicians was known and visited by more Linux Musicians.
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I use Rosegarden frequently, but not to edit scores.
Using a full featured sequencer as a score editor ? No thanks.
I use Noteedit frequently, but this is NOT listed in the poll. I know development has stopped. But I still use it. It is the only score editor that handles Lilypond and ABC and MusicXML and MIDI and more !
MUP from Arkkra is the score editor I use most. Not listed either!!
I also like ABC for simple tunes with melody/chords/lyrics. Programs to use: abcm2ps and the abcMIDI package. (abc2midi, midi2abc, and more)
I find NtEd promising. Wysiyg + Lilypond export makes a nice combi.
Canorus? Too much promises. But I can't even create a simple score with it (yet). A good score editor must be designed to create and edit high quality scores in an efficient and musician-friendly way. Everything else seems to be overkill IMO.
My favorite score editor? My vote goes to.: Vim :-)
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I use Rosegarden frequently, but not to edit scores.
Using a full featured sequencer as a score editor ? No thanks.
I use Noteedit frequently, but this is NOT listed in the poll. I know development has stopped. But I still use it. It is the only score editor that handles Lilypond and ABC and MusicXML and MIDI and more !
MUP from Arkkra is the score editor I use most. Not listed either!!
I also like ABC for simple tunes with melody/chords/lyrics. Programs to use: abcm2ps and the abcMIDI package. (abc2midi, midi2abc, and more)
I find NtEd promising. Wysiyg + Lilypond export makes a nice combi.
Canorus? Too much promises. But I can't even create a simple score with it (yet). A good score editor must be designed to create and edit high quality scores in an efficient and musician-friendly way. Everything else seems to be overkill IMO.
My favorite score editor? My vote goes to.: Vim :-)
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Linuxmusicians is quite new... but I think you're right. Just tell it your musician friends and your open source friends!Martin Tarenskeen wrote: Would be more interesting if LinuxMusicians was known and visited by more Linux Musicians.
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My vote for Denemo. It is a bit redundant to have Denemo and Lilypond in the same voting..
Its Denemo because its a)lilypond . As the two lilypond-voters (until now) certainly would agree its produces just the best output. Since Denemo is mainly a GUI for lilypond its the same output.
And I don't like WYSIWYG, there is no need for it.. further argumentation see the lilypond website.
But I like to think and work directly in notation and have a graphical view. Unlike TeX notation is not letters so the native form of notes are not letter-combination but notes themselves.
The most and standard lilypond features are already included and Denemo develops faster than the other notation apps so its only a matter of time. Additionally you can enter (and save) a lilypond \command at any time and place in your staffs. If you need to make bigger changes you have an integrated texteditor where you can change the lilypond-code directly.
Practically I prefer Denemo because it has an unlimited, scrolling view ("Sequencer" or "Studio" view) from left to right and not a paperlike view, which is a big plus.
Also its completly keyboard-centric so its speedy and robust (but you can use the mouse if you want). Its possible to change every keybinding/mousecommand to your needs and there are several modes to switch between different keybindings and behaviours.
The killerfeature is the guile/scheme scripting interpreter which is build in. You can write your own scripts or even just record a chain of commands without knowing the scheme-language. This makes is more flexibel and feature-rich than the other apps.
Its possible to iterate through your staffs (for example change every note to another to generate notation for your drummer out of a GM-drum staff) or just build often used command-chains and save them as a script and assign an keyboard-shortcut to the whole process.
Other nice features are microphone input, so you can sing notes into Denemo.
The contra-point is that Denemo lacks of an proper midi-interface. You can't record with your midi-instrument and you can't live playback midi to connect it to linuxsampler or any other synth/sampler.
But the day will come where you can use Midi and jacktransport to have a notationapp synced with your other apps. Maybe you are a c-programmer and want to help?
Nils
Its Denemo because its a)lilypond . As the two lilypond-voters (until now) certainly would agree its produces just the best output. Since Denemo is mainly a GUI for lilypond its the same output.
And I don't like WYSIWYG, there is no need for it.. further argumentation see the lilypond website.
But I like to think and work directly in notation and have a graphical view. Unlike TeX notation is not letters so the native form of notes are not letter-combination but notes themselves.
The most and standard lilypond features are already included and Denemo develops faster than the other notation apps so its only a matter of time. Additionally you can enter (and save) a lilypond \command at any time and place in your staffs. If you need to make bigger changes you have an integrated texteditor where you can change the lilypond-code directly.
Practically I prefer Denemo because it has an unlimited, scrolling view ("Sequencer" or "Studio" view) from left to right and not a paperlike view, which is a big plus.
Also its completly keyboard-centric so its speedy and robust (but you can use the mouse if you want). Its possible to change every keybinding/mousecommand to your needs and there are several modes to switch between different keybindings and behaviours.
The killerfeature is the guile/scheme scripting interpreter which is build in. You can write your own scripts or even just record a chain of commands without knowing the scheme-language. This makes is more flexibel and feature-rich than the other apps.
Its possible to iterate through your staffs (for example change every note to another to generate notation for your drummer out of a GM-drum staff) or just build often used command-chains and save them as a script and assign an keyboard-shortcut to the whole process.
Other nice features are microphone input, so you can sing notes into Denemo.
The contra-point is that Denemo lacks of an proper midi-interface. You can't record with your midi-instrument and you can't live playback midi to connect it to linuxsampler or any other synth/sampler.
But the day will come where you can use Midi and jacktransport to have a notationapp synced with your other apps. Maybe you are a c-programmer and want to help?
Nils
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Hey Nils, welcome at our forum
Maybe I've to check out the new Denemo... but Denemo isn't the fastest in development, I think that's NtEd IMHO...
Maybe I've to check out the new Denemo... but Denemo isn't the fastest in development, I think that's NtEd IMHO...
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That sort of thing would indeed be tremendously helpful, and it seems none of the notation editors (except perhaps Rosegarden) are supporting this kind of integration.NilsGey wrote:The contra-point is that Denemo lacks of an proper midi-interface. You can't record with your midi-instrument and you can't live playback midi to connect it to linuxsampler or any other synth/sampler.
But the day will come where you can use Midi and jacktransport to have a notationapp synced with your other apps.
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To the pure lilypond users:
I'm asking myself if you use lilypond in textmode to actually composer your music, directly from your brain to the computer or do you only transfer music from paper.
For me I need the compose option and I don't want to use paper. I don't need to hear the notes but I need to see them so I need a GUI.
I'm asking myself if you use lilypond in textmode to actually composer your music, directly from your brain to the computer or do you only transfer music from paper.
For me I need the compose option and I don't want to use paper. I don't need to hear the notes but I need to see them so I need a GUI.
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When I arrange directly in lilypond (I haven't standardized on a specific workflow yet) I keep a PDF viewer open in which I regularly refresh the (re)generated sheet.NilsGey wrote:For me I need the compose option and I don't want to use paper. I don't need to hear the notes but I need to see them so I need a GUI.
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Lilykde does have a quick preview and play midi option in the log... it's pretty fast!NilsGey wrote:To the pure lilypond users:
I'm asking myself if you use lilypond in textmode to actually composer your music, directly from your brain to the computer or do you only transfer music from paper.
For me I need the compose option and I don't want to use paper. I don't need to hear the notes but I need to see them so I need a GUI.
I think lilypondtool does have something like that too