Installing a newer version of an app not in the repositories
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Installing a newer version of an app not in the repositories
Hi everyone,
on my antiX laptop I installed Hexter, only to find out that it's not the newest version.
In order to get the newer version (i think it's here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dssi/fi ... ter/1.0.2/ ),
do I have to remove the older version? If so, do I have to remove config files, too.. or only the "main" hexter file?
Thanks!
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on my antiX laptop I installed Hexter, only to find out that it's not the newest version.
In order to get the newer version (i think it's here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dssi/fi ... ter/1.0.2/ ),
do I have to remove the older version? If so, do I have to remove config files, too.. or only the "main" hexter file?
Thanks!
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Re: Installing a newer version of an app not in the reposito
OOPS. I thought this was in KXStudio thread. Please disregard my earlier post:
Brian, I have version 1.0.2-1~precise1 installed under KXStudio 12.04.1 64bit
Synaptic shows that it's available fromDebian Multimedia Maintainers <pkg-multimedia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org>
You mentioned "the repositories"... Are you using something other than KXStudio?
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Re: Installing a newer version of an app not in the reposito
Yeah, that's probably wise. When done right they shouldn't interfere, but it's less confusing when there's only one version around .briandc wrote:In order to get the newer version (i think it's here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dssi/fi ... ter/1.0.2/ ),
do I have to remove the older version? If so, do I have to remove config files, too.. or only the "main" hexter file?
You don't remove the files manually, but just 'apt-get remove --purge hexter' (or something similar)
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Re: Installing a newer version of an app not in the reposito
@raboof: thanks for the suggestion. I think that's what I'll do.
Is compiling basically just following the "readme" for install instructions, and then adding any apps that the terminal indicates are missing, and then re-trying the install?
Also, as Alsa Modular Synth on my debian notebook doesn't have the LADSPA plugins that KXStudio has... can I just copy the LADSPA folder from my KXStudio box and paste it into the same place on the notebook?
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Is compiling basically just following the "readme" for install instructions, and then adding any apps that the terminal indicates are missing, and then re-trying the install?
Also, as Alsa Modular Synth on my debian notebook doesn't have the LADSPA plugins that KXStudio has... can I just copy the LADSPA folder from my KXStudio box and paste it into the same place on the notebook?
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Re: Installing a newer version of an app not in the reposito
Question:
where's the best place to download an app when compiling? In /usr/bin? Is it the same for all types of apps (tar, .deb, etc?)
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where's the best place to download an app when compiling? In /usr/bin? Is it the same for all types of apps (tar, .deb, etc?)
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I usually just compile from my homedir (something like ~/progs/programname) - compilation doesn't need root, and 'sudo make install' is usualy a (sometimes even optional) last step.briandc wrote:where's the best place to download an app when compiling? In /usr/bin? Is it the same for all types of apps (tar, .deb, etc?)
This *should* install into /usr/local (because /usr/ is for applications packaged by your distro). Some packages get this wrong, and in practice that's usually not much of a problem (but a bit messy).
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Re: Installing a newer version of an app not in the reposito
Yes! It will tend to be libraries, rather than "apps" that come up as missing dependencies. My first step is to search for them in Synaptic and install from there. The big problem is when your compilation requires one version, and you have another, and Synaptic won't help with that. At that point, it depends how much work you are willing to put in: you can end up downloading the source for the libraries and compiling that.briandc wrote:Is compiling basically just following the "readme" for install instructions, and then adding any apps that the terminal indicates are missing, and then re-trying the install?
Read the README, and any other files with names that look like they should be read. There are usually three stages
$ cd <source dir>
$ ./configure
...
...
$ make
...
...
$ sudo make install
Only 'make install' should be run as root (sudo). It needs permission to write the end-product files to system directories.
You may notice that, after running make, there are a lot more files in your source dir. After the make install, if you want to tidy up, you can do
$ make clean
That deletes everything except the source you downloaded. it may not be there. Depends on the person writing the makefile.
There are other, completely different, compilation and installation methods. Only the README file can tell you.
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Re: Installing a newer version of an app not in the reposito
Thanks raboof and Thad!
As I've always done things "on an improv," there were always some doubts. Sometimes a README file talks about paths and it isn't always clear to me since, if I download an app to my home folder, if the paths work out ok. But everything so far seems to be fine, so I guess I'm good for now.
And yes, sometimes Synaptic doesn't have the libraries that I need, or maybe not the right version.. or maybe just the name of the library isn't exactly what I thought it would be and I overlook it. And sometimes I have to compile several times until I get all the dependencies necessary for things to finish correctly. But in the end it always seems to work out.
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As I've always done things "on an improv," there were always some doubts. Sometimes a README file talks about paths and it isn't always clear to me since, if I download an app to my home folder, if the paths work out ok. But everything so far seems to be fine, so I guess I'm good for now.
And yes, sometimes Synaptic doesn't have the libraries that I need, or maybe not the right version.. or maybe just the name of the library isn't exactly what I thought it would be and I overlook it. And sometimes I have to compile several times until I get all the dependencies necessary for things to finish correctly. But in the end it always seems to work out.
Thanks!
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Re: Installing a newer version of an app not in the reposito
I always install all stuff in /usr/ , because those /local/ folder tends to create trouble. When it comes to building library’s (jackd for example) , you truly wont have different versions installed. So I put all my stuff into /usr/ to avoid that. This way older versions get overwritten by newer, the same way as any distribution do it.raboof wrote: This *should* install into /usr/local (because /usr/ is for applications packaged by your distro). Some packages get this wrong, and in practice that's usually not much of a problem (but a bit messy).
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Re: Installing a newer version of an app not in the reposito
it is better to uninstall the repository version before installing your home-compiled version. If you do not, then the system thinks it has to look after updates, which it will try to do. Confusion may result. Using the "local" paths is one way of maintaining different versions at the same time, but you have to make sure that you $PATH is in the right order to give you what you want when you type a command, or that you put the full path name in the properties for menu/panel/desktop icons. Even professionals give themselves headaches once they have two or more executables with the same name on their systems.
Compiling/installation from source can vary from simple to impossible. Hats off to the packagers who do it all, making stuff install-with-a-click for us.
Compiling/installation from source can vary from simple to impossible. Hats off to the packagers who do it all, making stuff install-with-a-click for us.
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Re: Installing a newer version of an app not in the reposito
Ok. But if I want to remove a previous version, is it sufficient to do a "sudo rm -R [/usr/app-to--be-removed]", and assume that the newer version will utilize the dependencies/libraries already installed? Or will that create problems too?
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Re: Installing a newer version of an app not in the reposito
The easiest way is to just create debian packages from the source (dh_make), assuming you are on a debian based system. It's really easy to do. This way you can replace older versions and your newly created package solve any dependency.
Removing a app, which is installed with apt, by rm isn't a good idea and will indeed leads to problems.
Removing a app, which is installed with apt, by rm isn't a good idea and will indeed leads to problems.
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Re: Installing a newer version of an app not in the reposito
Yeah. One nice trick when you're building a program that's also packaged for your Debian-based system is doing a 'apt-get build-dep <packagename>'. That will install all packages Debian needs to build the packaged version. You might need some more/newer ones, but it'll give you a nice head-start.briandc wrote:Is compiling basically just following the "readme" for install instructions, and then adding any apps that the terminal indicates are missing, and then re-trying the install?
I agree you might not want different versions of the same library installed at the same time on a Linux system (though when you're careful it can work).tramp wrote:I always install all stuff in /usr/ , because those /local/ folder tends to create trouble. When it comes to building library’s (jackd for example) , you truly wont have different versions installed. So I put all my stuff into /usr/ to avoid that. This way older versions get overwritten by newer, the same way as any distribution do it.
However, for me that's a reason to install manually in /usr/local rather than /usr: that way, when for some reason the packaged version gets installed alongside your manually compiled one, you can easily decide which one you want to use and remove the other. When they're overwriting each other you get into a big mess.
It's OK to 'rm -R' in /usr/local - though a 'make uninstall' target is preferable when available. Don't 'rm' in /usr, that's the package system's domain.briandc wrote:if I want to remove a previous version, is it sufficient to do a "sudo rm -R [/usr/app-to--be-removed]", and assume that the newer version will utilize the dependencies/libraries already installed? Or will that create problems too?
On a Debian system, if you manually installed a library, sometimes you want to tell the build system: "don't worry about this library dependency, I installed it manually". The 'equivs' tool can do that (though it's not as user-friendly as you'd hope).
That's cool I never use that, I should look into it.tramp wrote:just create debian packages from the source (dh_make), assuming you are on a debian based system. It's really easy to do.
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Re: Installing a newer version of an app not in the reposito
If it is a version you compiled and installed, see if the make file has an uninstall option. I'd be very loathe to stomp around the file system rm-ing things without thinking ten times about it, and don't rm -r anything unless you really know what you are doing. And even if you do, make backups first!if I want to remove a previous version, is it sufficient to do a "sudo rm -R [/usr/app-to--be-removed]",
If it is a repository version, you should use the system tools (synaptic etc) to remove it.
I was a unix guy in a previous life. I forgot most of it, and I am no Linux expert. That is a really useful suggestion to look into. ThanksThe easiest way is to just create debian packages from the source (dh_make)
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Re: Installing a newer version of an app not in the reposito
Ok.. so using rm -R should perhaps not be used, particularly if you can use synaptic, or an uninstall procedure provided by the app itself.
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Can you explain this a bit further? I think this might be useful for many a user here.tramp wrote:The easiest way is to just create debian packages from the source (dh_make), assuming you are on a debian based system. It's really easy to do. This way you can replace older versions and your newly created package solve any dependency.
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