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Re: trying to cover jam on it newclues

Postby rghvdberg » Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:06 pm

the sound @ 6:00
it's made using a delay (I think)
gonna have a closer look/listen when I have time

also, strange that Sonic Visualiser doesn' t play mp3.
Start Sonic Visualiser -> Help -> About
check if it says : Using MAD mp3 decoder
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does it play any other format ?
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Re: trying to cover jam on it newclues

Postby Gps » Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:59 pm

I got sonic visualzer from an official openSUSE source, I suspect that to be the reason why it does not play mp3.
It did play .ogg files.

That opensuse source is very strict about all software being opensource.
Richard Stallman will aprove it.

I do agree for some part with his ideas, but I am also a normal computer user, who just wants that bloody thing to work, even if the movie I want to see is not in an opensource fromat. :wink:

Thats also why openSUSE has packman. You add that repository, and then even opensuse plays mp3 and all movie formats, and LMMS comes with working VeSTige.)

I ones wanted to try Ardour, and then found a page telling me, I should not use vst on Linux.

Let me make clear I do not use Linux just because its free, I do support the open source ideas, but not using vst in a daw ?

Not an option for me. Do some vst freez lmms and make it a crash happy application ? Yes they do, but some just work fine.
And the smile its puts on my face that I can play through lmms and wine on a mini moog, is for me worth the trouble I experience with some vst that do cause issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqLDw4UfhD4 (all knobs can be automated in lmms)

About the sound, I have been wondering about delay, it also seem to fade out a bit and then start over.

Although clearly not right, 5 to 7 alternating notes and then repeating only the lowest, seems a step closer.

Its possible though the Newclues did something like this, an TB 808 and a Juno.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_zWELmLG9o

I never used real hardware synths, but what I do understand is that the 808 triggers the juno arpeggio.
Mostly because of this vid, were an 707 triggers a juno.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vh_5RDi1e4

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Re: trying to cover jam on it newclues

Postby rghvdberg » Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:47 pm

Ardour works perfectly fine with vst, but that would be the linux vst.

You can run windows vst plugins but that needs a work-a-round. It's called bridging.
In LMMS this bridge is provided by Vestige.

You can however bridge using other software. Two popular choices are Carla and Airwave.
The work a bit different but both need wine installed, but I'm pretty sure vestige needs that too.
For carla you need to install some extra bridges. Search the package manager for that.
Carla can be loaded as an lv2 or vst plugin, and from within Carla you can load other plugins, so you can load those windows vst too.

Airwave takes a different approach. It links windows vst dll files from your wine install to linux *.so files. This makes the daw think that it is using a linux vst, while in fact it is a windows vst, 'translated' by wine.
All the paramaters that use can automate are exposed tot the daw. It's fantastic.

I think LMMS is a fun tool an can do, some things, even better than Ardour.
The automation tracks are very clever. Having one track automate several paramaters is pretty handy.
But when you really want to process and mix the audio from the plugins then I think you are better of with a regular DAW.

Unfortunately LMMS can't sync with jack. That would be awesome. Make beats in LMMS, route them through jack to Ardour for further processing. I'm afraid this wont happen soon. If ever.

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Re: trying to cover jam on it newclues

Postby Gps » Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:02 am

Mp3 is missing from that list under help.

I just reinstalled sonic visualizer because audacity cant do what I want to try. Show grids.
So now need to figure out how to make it read mp3 too, I do have lame installed, so it might be as simple as changing some file.

Some vamp plugins do work in audacity but not all. Audacity only shows in the import plugin list, plugins it can use.
That why I could not find the plugins I was looking for. :lol:

I think we agree about lmms, but for now for me its enough. I know of people who make a track in lmms and then master it in fruity loops.

I have been watching allot if vid of people using any daw ( fruityloops. albeton, cubase,and one I cant recall right now)
Learned a lot from it, and did not see anything I cant do in lmms.

Feel free to tell if I am wrong, I can only learn from it.

The one vid that did make me look at Ardour was this one ( lmms does not have lv2 support yet :( )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR6mRkFkoBQ

I would love to export an lmms track to ardour.
LMMS next release should have working midi export.

When I said vst, I did mean windows vst.
Vestige uses wine, I can confirm that.

Carla is another reason why I have looked at ardour.

One reason for me to switch would be, if I can get a better sound from ardour then lmms.
I doubt I am good enough yet though. I slowly start to understand the calf plugins in lmms.( and when I want to use them )

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Re: trying to cover jam on it newclues

Postby rghvdberg » Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:09 am

Gps wrote:Mp3 is missing from that list under help.

I just reinstalled sonic visualizer because audacity cant do what I want to try. Show grids.
So now need to figure out how to make it read mp3 too, I do have lame installed, so it might be as simple as changing some file.

Very unlikely. I think the app should be compiled with mp3 built in. Seems like the packagers from opensuse removed the mp3 option.


Some vamp plugins do work in audacity but not all. Audacity only shows in the import plugin list, plugins it can use.
That why I could not find the plugins I was looking for. :lol:

I found you need to enable the plugins in Audacity first. In my version I have "Analazy", then click on "Add/Remove plugins"
I think we agree about lmms, but for now for me its enough. I know of people who make a track in lmms and then master it in fruity loops.

I have been watching allot if vid of people using any daw ( fruityloops. albeton, cubase,and one I cant recall right now)
Learned a lot from it, and did not see anything I cant do in lmms.

Feel free to tell if I am wrong, I can only learn from it.

Well, real side chaining is one thing LMMS can't do.
But overall the mixing, arranging of a song is easier (I think)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to steer you away from LMMS, but you mentioned that Ardour doesn't support VST, which is just not true.

The one vid that did make me look at Ardour was this one ( lmms does not have lv2 support yet :( )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR6mRkFkoBQ

I would love to export an lmms track to ardour.
LMMS next release should have working midi export.

When I said vst, I did mean windows vst.
Vestige uses wine, I can confirm that.

Carla is another reason why I have looked at ardour.

One reason for me to switch would be, if I can get a better sound from ardour then lmms.
I doubt I am good enough yet though. I slowly start to understand the calf plugins in lmms.( and when I want to use them )

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to steer you away from LMMS, but you mentioned that Ardour doesn't support VST, which is just not true.

I can't say if Ardour gives you a better sound because that all depends on your mixing.
Also remember that Ardour doesn't have all the synths and samplers built-in like LMMS does!
It's always possible to export a song or tracks from LMMS and import them in Ardour or another app to process the audio if you have the need for that.

But again, please keep using LMMS if you enjoy it and it works for you!

I once made a silly song with it just to try it out. It's rather silly but I still learned a lot from it.
https://soundcloud.com/rghvdberg/demo-m ... b-liedje-1

yes I know ... silly

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Re: trying to cover jam on it newclues

Postby Gps » Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:29 pm

Rofl laughing, and now I am sure we are from the same country. ( liedje)

I really like it though.

I am for now happy with lmms, and all or most of what I (need to) learn is the same for all daw.

The side chaining in lmms has given me a few headache already.
Its not easy at all to get that working.

I am not sure if lmms can do real side chaining. I have seen a few tutorials. ( and discussions about this)
There seem to be two methods used for lmms, one uses a calf sidechain plugin.
The one time I got it working the result was rather disappointing.

Making serious music on a computer is allot harder then I had thought.
Most stuff I need to learn is not daw specific though.
Mixing is one thing, but I am still making progress. I am starting to use more and more equalizers, and I am starting to hear / understand why you might want to cut frequencies on some instruments.

About sonic visualizer. Compiling should be relative easy because I should already have all or most libs.
I will have to install the devel files though, I hope there is a list of dependencies in the tarball.

This will be the third time I compile a program my self.
Doom3 for Linux was the first one, lmms the second. :mrgreen:

Edit: With the tar ball comes a install text file, with the dependencies. :D

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----------------------

To build on a Unix-like system, run

$ ./configure && make

The following additional libraries are required or optional when
building the SV core libraries:

REQUIRED   Qt v5         http://qt-project.org/
REQUIRED   Vamp Plugin SDK   v2.x   http://www.vamp-plugins.org/
REQUIRED   Rubber Band Library   http://www.breakfastquay.com/rubberband/
REQUIRED   libsndfile      http://www.mega-nerd.com/libsndfile/
REQUIRED   libsamplerate      http://www.mega-nerd.com/SRC/
REQUIRED   FFTW3          http://www.fftw.org/
REQUIRED   bzip2 library      http://www.bzip.org/
REQUIRED   Sord and Serd libraries   http://drobilla.net/software/

Optional   MAD mp3 decoder      http://www.underbit.com/products/mad/
Optional   Oggz and fishsound   http://xiph.org/oggz/
Optional        liblo OSC library   http://www.plugin.org.uk/liblo/

If you are going to build the rest of the SV libraries and the Sonic
Visualiser application, you will also need one or more of:

Optional   JACK         http://www.jackaudio.org/
Optional   PortAudio v19      http://www.portaudio.com/
Optional   PulseAudio           http://www.pulseaudio.org/

Although JACK, PortAudio, and PulseAudio are individually optional,
you will need to have one or the other of them in order to get any
audio playback.  Usually JACK is preferred on Linux, with PulseAudio
as a backup, and PortAudio is used elsewhere.

On Linux, you will need the ALSA libraries (used for MIDI).

If you happen to be using a Debian-based Linux, you probably want to
apt-get install something like the following packages: qtbase5-dev
qt5-default libsndfile1-dev libsamplerate0-dev libfftw3-dev libbz2-dev
libjack-dev libjack0 libpulse-dev libmad0-dev libid3tag0-dev
liboggz2-dev libfishsound1-dev libasound2-dev liblo-dev liblrdf0-dev
libsord-dev libserd-dev vamp-plugin-sdk librubberband-dev.

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Re: trying to cover jam on it newclues

Postby Gps » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:27 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DMID6wL6lU

Does anybody know what this A & B is about. I noticed an A and B switch on the 808 but I can't figure out what its doing.
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Re: trying to cover jam on it newclues

Postby 42low » Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:22 pm

Gps wrote:Rofl laughing, and now I am sure we are from the same country. ( liedje)


Hahaha. Nog een Nederlander. :lol:
Er zitten er hier stiekem veel.




Translation for the non dutch:
Hahaha. Yet another dutchman.
There are al lot of them overhere secretly.

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Re: trying to cover jam on it newclues

Postby rghvdberg » Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:46 am

Dutchies unite!

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Re: trying to cover jam on it newclues

Postby Gps » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:54 pm

Does anybody know why I cant register to the sonic visualizer(vamp) forums?

I also looked at the git hub but version 2.5 is not there.

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nclude/qt5/QtXml -isystem /usr/include/qt5/QtCore -Io -I/usr/lib64/qt5/mkspecs/linux-g++ -o o/AudioFileReader.o data/fileio/AudioFileReader.cpp
In file included from data/fileio/AudioFileReader.h:22:0,
                 from data/fileio/AudioFileReader.cpp:16:
data/fileio/FileSource.h:23:25: fatal error: QNetworkReply: Bestand of map bestaat niet
 #include <QNetworkReply>
                         ^
compilation terminated.
Makefile:1708: recept voor doel 'o/AudioFileReader.o' is mislukt
make[1]: *** [o/AudioFileReader.o] Fout 1
make[1]: Map '/home/guus/sonic-visualiser-2.5/svcore' wordt verlaten
Makefile:74: recept voor doel 'sub-svcore-make_first' is mislukt
make: *** [sub-svcore-make_first] Fout 2
guus@linux-0pkp:~/sonic-visualiser-2.5>


data/fileio/FileSource.h:23:25: fatal error: QNetworkReply: (Bestand of map bestaat niet) File or folder does not exist.

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Re: trying to cover jam on it newclues

Postby Gps » Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:19 pm

I found an TB 808 manual, and now know what that A and B switch does.

Small step forward. Now I can use that you tube vid.

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Re: trying to cover jam on it newclues

Postby Gps » Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:25 pm

Slightly off topic.

How to side chain in lmms.

LMMS comes with calf plugins, but the old ones not the newer ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntzWiufjkko

And or like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il0OH4I0-LE

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Re: trying to cover jam on it newclues

Postby Gps » Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:11 pm

I am giving up on sonic visualizer.

There seems to be no place for me to get help.

I have tried at least 10 times already, on different days to register to the vamp plugin forum.

I don't get an error, I don't get a pop up, but registering fails over and over again. :roll:

Why do they have a forum if you cant register ?

http://sonicvisualiser.org/

I just noticed they released a newer version. I tried to compile 2.5.

They gave up on 2.5 ?

I am tempted to start ranting, or was I already ranting? :P


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