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Time signature in LMMS

Postby LinMusGuy » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:51 am

What is the audible effect of changing the time signature in LMMS?

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Re: Time signature in LMMS

Postby lilith » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:21 am

It will change the time signature

https://lmms.io/documentation/Tool_Bar# ... e_Controls

When you turn on the metronom you should hear the difference.
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Re: Time signature in LMMS

Postby LinMusGuy » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:41 am

Where is the metronome in LMMS 1.0.0 ?

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Re: Time signature in LMMS

Postby lilith » Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:59 pm

LinMusGuy wrote:Where is the metronome in LMMS 1.0.0 ?


I don't know for version 1.0.0, maybe this helps? Why are you still using 1.0.0??

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Re: Time signature in LMMS

Postby LinMusGuy » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:20 pm

lilith wrote:
LinMusGuy wrote:Where is the metronome in LMMS 1.0.0 ?


I don't know for version 1.0.0, maybe this helps? Why are you still using 1.0.0??

https://lmms.io/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8504


Thank you, I found the metronome for the Piano-Roll. But I still don't hear what's the difference between setting for instance 4/4 and 3/4 in LMMS.

I am still using 1.0.0 because in the later version I tested the VST-host Vestige was missing.

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Re: Time signature in LMMS

Postby lilith » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:24 pm

Of course there is no audible difference. I thought that maybe the first beat of the metronome has a different tone, like

click tok tok tok click tok tok tok for a 4/4 bar instead of

click tok tok click tok tok for a 3/4 bar

Or what do you mean the audible effect?
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Re: Time signature in LMMS

Postby LinMusGuy » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:37 pm

I tried a series of identical kicks or claps in the beat+bassline editor and then I changed the time signature, but I did not hear any difference...

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Re: Time signature in LMMS

Postby lilith » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:41 pm

LinMusGuy wrote:I tried a series of identical kicks or claps in the beat+bassline editor and then I changed the time signature, but I did not hear any difference...


Hmm.. or is the time signature just changing your grid? Maybe someone familiar with LMMS can help?
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Re: Time signature in LMMS

Postby LinMusGuy » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:51 pm

Actually I don't know whether there has to be an audible difference....

But if not, then I don't understand how a series of identical kicks or claps can even have a time signature.

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Re: Time signature in LMMS

Postby milo » Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:57 pm

You'll notice it with a more complex beat. Make a standard 4/4 rock beat, for instance, and then change the time signature to 3/4, and then 5/4. You'll hear the difference. It's been a while since I did this, and I can't double check this at the moment, but IIRC it should cut off the 4th beat when you change to 3/4, and there should be a silent beat when you change to 5/4.

EDIT: You have to program the drum beat in the beat/bassline editor to notice the change. If you program it in the main timeline window then it should sound the same no matter what you do to the time signature.

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Re: Time signature in LMMS

Postby LinMusGuy » Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:55 pm

milo wrote:EDIT: You have to program the drum beat in the beat/bassline editor to notice the change. If you program it in the main timeline window then it should sound the same no matter what you do to the time signature.


You are right, in the beat/bassline editor the time signature does make a difference. But it is not yet clear to me what exactly is happening.

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Re: Time signature in LMMS

Postby LinMusGuy » Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:58 pm

This is how it looks when you change the time signature from 4/4 to 3/4 or 5/4:

4-4.png


3-4.png


5-4.png


What are the beats and what are the measures here?
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Re: Time signature in LMMS

Postby lilith » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:22 pm

You have 16/16 12/16 and 20/16 which is a 4/4, 3/4 and 5/4 beat, divided in 1/16 notes. After playing the pattern the beat is repeated, right? The one comes on every fourth beat.
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Re: Time signature in LMMS

Postby LinMusGuy » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:28 pm

So if I understand correctly this is the situation:

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Re: Time signature in LMMS

Postby milo » Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:36 pm

Yes, that's correct. Each vertical column represents a 1/16th note.

I'm not really sure what's going on in your 3/4 time example posted above. Why do the 1/16th notes in the hihat_opened01.ogg track not line up with the others? That doesn't make sense to me. Maybe it's a bug? (Or is it a feature?)

I usually don't change the time signature in the middle of working on a composition, so I haven't seen these issuesbefore.


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